Saturday – 9.09 am

I thought members might appreciate some further thoughts this morning after another rough day yesterday.

When we left off onthe Live Blog early evening Thursday we’d had the bad day we were expecting – but it wasn’t as bad as it could have been and things were settling down. 

It was starting to look a bit more like a market where you could trade. Spreads were tightening, more sell prices (though not enough yet) were getting on the board. 

From there, it seemed logical to think things should continue settling down. And that we might see a recovery over the weeks to come, and even a little joy this weekend and next as some dividend winners came through. 

Maybe that will still be the case. But based on yesterday’s red numbers it feels further away not closer.

In theory you’ve got a market where prices are lower than they should be versus the yields/dividends on offer. And we’ve got football back after the International Break which should be a chance to refocus on that rather than market mechanics. 

So with that being the case – the missing ingredient was some stability and tighter spreads which could lead to a gradual return to more sensible trading. 

We certainly did not see that yesterday. Which leaves even the most experienced of traders puzzling over why.

With these things there is rarely just one reason but rather a complicated mix of them – different forces that are pushing against each other. And something which plays a major role in sentiment is the market mechanics – what the platform is telling us is happening.

One thing that we know goes on is market manipulation. And this works both ways. There is an obvious way to push up the Average Offer Price as discussed on Thursday – just make unrealistically high offers to keep the Average Offer Price high.

FI made this worse by caving in to social media pressure to actually increase the ceiling on this from 50p – I thought they should do the exact opposite to give greater confidence in the integrity of Average Prices.

And the manipulators also put downward pressure on the price – and I strongly suspect this is a big factor in at least kicking off what we saw yesterday.

Some of this is deliberate – an attempt to cause crashes to enable cheap buys. Whilst spreads remain wide – this can easily be done by Offering low – causing a Blue Button price drop and a panic – pushing people into accepting lower and lower offers on the Red Button. 

And it costs you nothing to do – if someone matches that know you can buy back even cheaper. These manipulators often combined that with negative social media campaigns to cause further panic.

And they will currently find fertile ground for that behaviour. Trader confidence was on the deck already. And people were hoping for Thursday to be the turning point – so to see further drops on Friday? That can shatter the thin confidence that remains even for usually level headed individuals. 

Some of this is opportunistic – traders taking what they can get. They won’t consider themselves manipulators really. But if you can push a price down and buy more cheaper then lots of people will. People are greedy and you can’t even expect any different – people are here to make money. 

And many work under the belief, which may or may not be a myth (I suspect it is), that you might get “lucky” if you offer at the Blue Button price and then you can buy back cheaper. This kind of thing is standard – you can’t really expect traders to do anything different than work in what appears to be in their own interest – even if they are actually hurting themselves.

These two factors push prices down and it is probably what kicks things off. 

Then you have the people whose confidence was wavering – and they are pushed into selling at rock bottom by another day of drops. This gives the manipulators and opportunists exactly what they want. 

And that cycle continues – spiralling the Blue Button price further down.

What these guys have to bear in mind is that there is only so much people can take. A good manipulator should nibble at the edges – if he goes too far he can poison his own well. They are a bit like a virus. A good virus is like the common cold – inconvenient but not lethal. It never kills it’s host because it will kill itself too. 

A bad virus rips through people hard but quickly burns itself out. I think they need to be a bit careful here and think about the consequences with confidence so low.  

Pushing against all that downward pressure to drive prices up we have those who are taking this as an opportunity to clean up. They do exist, and where you can find a rock bottom bid I’m comfortable with that personally.

But this sort of buying is a weak upwards force – buyers are simply able to pay extremely low prices and there is literally no reason to pay anymore than you have to.

So this creates some very powerful forces pushing down and only a weak one pushing up. 

Then we have to look at the market mechanics. The Blue Button price is dropping – but as we have discussed a lot recently – this represents only the cheapest 900 shares. It’s still incredibly sensitive often to just one even mid size trader. 

The Blue Button can bounce down and up very quickly. Just a handful of people can do that – it doesn’t necessarily show that every holders confidence in that player has evaporated – just that a small number of holders are willing to sell cheaply. 

They can be manipulators, opportunists or people who have just lost confidence and want out – which may make sense for them if they are really struggling with the stress of all this. I genuinely sympathise with that because things really do feel bleak.

I’ve long said this should be more than just 900 shares, which does have it’s own problems in terms of creating situations where the sticker price isn’t the real price. But currently – it is just too sensitive and prone to causing very volatile movements. This issue needs resolving.

Then we have the Average Offer Price – which is supposed to be the sense check on where sentiment really is at. 

But as mentioned above – this can be gamed very easily too. It’s likely to be higher than collective opinion really believes it should be. Stubborn holders and manipulators will be determined to keep their players Average price high for obviously self interested reasons. 

Blue Button and Average Offer Price are therefore showing us two extremes – the collective trader view on what the price should be is going to be found somewhere in the middle of those two numbers. And those prices feel a lot more sensible given where we are. 

That would peg Neymar and Sancho at around £7 and Bruno around that area too. Kimmich £5 or so. These prices seem sensible to me given the current dividend structure, and are below what I would consider true value in terms of dividend returns. 

So. That’s my best explanation as to what we saw yesterday. I don’t have all the answers – these are new experiences for all of us in this market. We do have experience from crashes/booms in other markets to draw on. But FI is different and novel – really more of a football betting game with market elements than a real market right now.

Next we have to consider what happens next and then ultimately, what can we actually do about it?

Probably, if you want to step back and really consider things with cold logic – one day hasn’t really changed the picture. Thursday was grim. Friday was grim. But eventually the bottom gets found in a market. Stability returns. Football carries on. Dividends drop into portfolios. Slowly, over weeks and months, things start to look more sensible again. Still probably the most likely outcome in my view. 

But what if it doesn’t? Confidence is shattered. People are angry and upset. Genuinely stressed. And it’s not just “weak hands” or fools who are feeling like this by now. Even those of us with ice in their veins won’t want to be seeing much more of this. 

Those trying to drive prices down (who exist in every market it isn’t unique to FI) are finding no shortage of people ready to break and sell cheap. 

Can FI take it if things don’t turn around? Are they strong enough? Probably for a while, at least a few months yes. But that generous dividends offer was based on market prices far higher – I wonder whether they would make such an offer today. 

It’s hard to say – none of us have access to the books. They are, in the main, making some positive changes but they are often coming later than they need to. And the “magic bullet” of liquidity providers still feels someway off. 

I don’t think there is a clear answer. My personal view is the same as it was on Thursday – I think it will settle over the coming weeks and months. And the heavy upcoming fixture schedule is at least something to look forward to.

Traders have really short term memories – for all the current talk on social media – we know for most people all we will be forgiven and forgotten after a few weeks of solid green. We’ve seen it before many times just on smaller scales.

Yet, for those who are in financial difficulty in a year that has been bleak on and off FI, maybe it does make sense to take what you can. Or if it’s really impacting your mental health and it’s causing you problems – there are good reasons to call it a day in that situation. Not just for the mental health reasons – but it’s impossible to trade effectively when you are under this kind of pressure in my view. You can easily be bounced into poor/rash decisions.

Then there is a practicality point. Often in markets – there is little you can do after the crash has hit and the damage has been done. Options are very limited and there are no attractive choices to make. You either keep holding, hoping things will turn around. You keep trading, nibbling at the edges of refreshing players for IPD and maybe some cheaper prices to try to cheer yourself up. Both of which come at the risk of continued drops with potentially a massive upside if things recover.

Or you cash out, taking a massive hit in a total buyers market where to sell you have to do so at absolute rock bottom. You keep a portion of what you have and run but at the cost of any chance of benefiting from a recovery.

Really no one size fits all answer. It’s bleak. I personally am not swayed by just one day by market mechanics that are really only reflecting the actions of a minority. But I can understand why even usually steadfast traders are finding themselves very short on confidence right now.

I’ll be back as usual covering the weekend’s action, which will start a little later than usual early Monday this week. And if you have any further questions I’ll run a State of the Market on Tuesday too.

All the best,

FIT.

16:58

Feels about time to wrap this up as there isn’t much new happening. 

So we expected a bloodbath coming into this. This morning when we saw the new portfolio values there was a little burst of optimism… maybe it wasn’t going to be so bad?

Well. It was probably as bad as expected. Nobody likes to see red numbers and we definitely got those. All kinds of players took beatings, falling along the predictably short sighted lines of which players are currently in or out of favour. 

That’s not the same thing as longer term value and it’s important to remember that. This is not about just one day but about the weeks and months ahead.

We’ve seen Average Offer Prices hold steady and as a result – portfolio values looking much healthier than they did yesterday if you use the default settings.

This feels like a comforting lie and the slightly odd thing is it might be one traders are happy to be told. Even if they know it isn’t really true.

I mean. The old method of valuation isn’t accurate either, just different. 

The problem with Average Offer Prices and I said this as soon as I saw the announcement is that they can be gamed so easily. You just can’t trust them and the problem is they are supposed to be there to increase confidence.

I think the shenanigan is so obvious that before long the “AOP” will become a bit of an in-joke for traders.

If I were FI I’d sort this out and make this less easy to manipulate so that people could be confident in it. Because if it functioned well I would generally consider it a better way of valuing a portfolio. 

But whichever way you cut it these valuation methods are crude at best. The only valuations of players we can trust are our own assuming of course that we have some idea what we are doing on that.

I would expect what we see from here is some further mild drops but nothing on the scale we’ve seen already today. The spreads should close a little further. Maybe we see a few more players get those sell prices.

The hectic fixture schedule ahead is going to really help. I don’t think we can just expect players to automatically bounce. They are going to have to do something to show their quality and we need football for that.

This is going to be a market that want safe choices and continuing to focus on that area of the market remains my best advice for buyers.

The heavy football calendar should also help return things to what the platform is supposed to be about. We don’t want this continued focus on market mechanics. I think FI can endure this but it can’t take many more of these huge changes anytime soon it needs to settle.

If in the next few days or maybe a week’s time we are sitting here with tighter spreads, most of the top 200 with some kind of sell price and we’ve seen some more sensible trading around match days… we might look back on this day as the turning point.

If we see tight spreads but no trading in the weeks to come then we might really start to worry. 

I suspect it will be more towards the more optimistic scenario from here purely because of that raw value proposition which is unrivalled in any form of betting. I am however still expecting to measure a recovery in weeks and months rather than days.

Thanks again for reading on what has been a very long day of mixed feelings. It was bad as expected. But it could have been a lot worse.

It should be an interesting round of matches at the weekend as we see how traders react to these new market conditions. 

16:58

Feels about time to wrap this up as there isn’t much new happening. 

So we expected a bloodbath coming into this. This morning when we saw the new portfolio values there was a little burst of optimism… maybe it wasn’t going to be so bad?

Well. It was probably as bad as expected. Nobody likes to see red numbers and we definitely got those. All kinds of players took beatings, falling along the predictably short sighted lines of which players are currently in or out of favour. 

That’s not the same thing as longer term value and it’s important to remember that. This is not about just one day but about the weeks and months ahead.

We’ve seen Average Offer Prices hold steady and as a result – portfolio values looking much healthier than they did yesterday if you use the default settings.

This feels like a comforting lie and the slightly odd thing is it might be one traders are happy to be told. Even if they know it isn’t really true.

I mean. The old method of valuation isn’t accurate either, just different. 

The problem with Average Offer Prices and I said this as soon as I saw the announcement is that they can be gamed so easily. You just can’t trust them and the problem is they are supposed to be there to increase confidence.

I think the shenanigan is so obvious that before long the “AOP” will become a bit of an in-joke for traders.

If I were FI I’d sort this out and make this less easy to manipulate so that people could be confident in it. Because if it functioned well I would generally consider it a better way of valuing a portfolio. 

But whichever way you cut it these valuation methods are crude at best. The only valuations of players we can trust are our own assuming of course that we have some idea what we are doing on that.

I would expect what we see from here is some further mild drops but nothing on the scale we’ve seen already today. The spreads should close a little further. Maybe we see a few more players get those sell prices.

The hectic fixture schedule ahead is going to really help. I don’t think we can just expect players to automatically bounce. They are going to have to do something to show their quality and we need football for that.

This is going to be a market that want safe choices and continuing to focus on that area of the market remains my best advice for buyers.

The heavy football calendar should also help return things to what the platform is supposed to be about. We don’t want this continued focus on market mechanics. I think FI can endure this but it can’t take many more of these huge changes anytime soon it needs to settle.

If in the next few days or maybe a week’s time we are sitting here with tighter spreads, most of the top 200 with some kind of sell price and we’ve seen some more sensible trading around match days… we might look back on this day as the turning point.

If we see tight spreads but no trading in the weeks to come then we might really start to worry. 

I suspect it will be more towards the more optimistic scenario from here purely because of that raw value proposition which is unrivalled in any form of betting. I am however still expecting to measure a recovery in weeks and months rather than days.

Thanks again for reading on what has been a very long day of mixed feelings. It was bad as expected. But it could have been a lot worse.

It should be an interesting round of matches at the weekend as we see how traders react to these new market conditions. 

16:06

Market watch. Spoiler – it’s still a bloodbath.

But the drops are slowing down and the graphs from recent hours are generally levelling out in dropping players, at least in a big sample of top 200 players I checked. 

This is good and spreads are tightening which is the silver lining we need from what was always likely to be a horrible day.

Average prices may also offer comfort to some but well. I just don’t trust them. They are too easy to game and you can’t even really blame traders who are doing it. 

FI have to make it impossible by preventing offers that are 50p higher than the Blue Button – or what would probably be better is if after a time very high old Offers are expired.

On Average Offer Price I haven’t lost any money at all in recent months in my portfolio – which I would love to believe. I don’t though.

There are still too many players without bids for comfort. As I say below this doesn’t entirely surprise me because I expected “clustering” into the most popular picks before people broaden out. 

I think really we can track all these fluctuating numbers and adjust our portfolio values all we want – but really – what is this telling us?

It’s a measure of how people feel and not much else. And that changes quickly.

What really matters is:

– Have I made good assessments of the dividend potential and market appeal of the players I’m holding?

– Am I satisfied that the players I have are a solid fit for the season ahead, and are they under what I really believe they are worth in True Value terms?

Put it like this – we’ve got a massive fixture calendar ahead. The players who perform strongly and have decent trend fits for the season are going to get bid prices at least and possibly price rises and dividend wins.

Good players will drag people to them so we don’t need to stress too much as long as we are confident with the player.

Poor performers? More difficult. We have no automatic right to getting a strong bid price on our player. They are going to have to earn one. 

And we need football to sort the strong from the weak – fortunately the most congested fixture calendar in memory is just a couple of days away.

15:34

Question: Hey mate, hope you’re well. Enjoying the live blog, thanks for helping us out in times of need!

I have a question: if I have a player who currently has no sell price (spoiler: I have quite a few!), is there any point setting Offers for them? This will obviously drag down the price and realistically there is only a slim possibility someone buys them on the blue button.

Would I be better off holding onto the garbage and waiting for the market to recover or some Bids to come in so I can IS? Thanks and keep up the good work.

FIT: Thanks and you are welcome, the Live Blogs are becoming the thing I enjoy the most. Would be nice to do them in better market circumstances but hey.

Good question and it’s highlighted something new to me. If I click a player I own with no sell price (don’t worry you aren’t alone!) and try to make an Offer to sell my range is very limited. I can only go 5p below the current blue button price. With players with a sell price I can go as high as 50p or down to the current highest Bid (you can’t offer less than the highest bid… because why would you?!). 

I am not sure if this has been there all day but where no Sell Price exists stabilisers are still on. They are 5p not 1p as before. But FI seem to want to see a bid there before you can make an offer significantly below the blue button price. I’ll ponder what this means.

Ah ok so going back to the FI announcement this is covered:

So this shouldn’t have been news to me it was there and it’s not something they introduced in recent hours.

This is clearly there as a stabiliser so we aren’t in total free market mode yet. It protects the price of players without bids – possibly offering cold short term comfort but much as all the recent restrictions have done – it keeps those blue button prices artifically high.

So with that minor non-mystery solved, back to your question.

Generally I think you are right – when a player has no bid price in this market setting an offer 5p below the blue button is a fools errand.

Nobody sane is going to pay it. And you are just crashing your own price both on the Blue Button and Average Offer Price.

There are some myths/rumours that the market maker does buy on the Blue Button… I really can’t say whether this is true. I would suspect not because doing so would be really, really stupid. If people saw “LP001” paying full price regularly then there would be an incentive for mass listing.

If they were doing that… I’d suspect they would learn from that mistake quite quickly. The market maker should be boosting up those bid prices, not buying directly from the blue button. They’ll work that out quickly or they’ll be fired in my view.

Not the answer we want to hear but I think we are stuck with unwanted players like this for now. Ideally, if you generally make good choices you will not hold players who are total dead ends. 

Part of the reason I focus on quality is that even in really bad scenarios where a trade goes badly there is a chance they bounce back. Eriksen – currently dead to traders. If he moves in January to a good club? Could be great. Same for Griezmann. Holding quality is one way of managing risk that helps us here.

If we really have a dud that we don’t think will ever recover… that’s rough. Maybe then you do just want to list them because dropping that price in hope of someone taking them off your hands at rock bottom might be the best you can get. 

Just because a rational person knows they have next to zero value doesn’t mean you won’t find that one guy who is happy to roll the dice.

15:13

Question: With the end of 0% commissions on bids, are IPD players still attractive?

FIT: Yes.

IPD refreshing has been a rare source of joy in these bleak times. By IPD player I’m really talking about the £1.50 and under range – the sort you are really just trading for IPD. 

Of course, almost any decent performance player is going to be pulling in big IPDs too. Refreshing them can still be a good idea when the spread is tight and there is liquidity there. 

Classic example is Bayern have a big CL fixture and people are hyped for Gnabry or Lewandowski or maybe Coman – it’s going to be easy to sell those players and buy them again in the days before that game. 

Normally this isn’t so attractive when we may only have 4-5 games in a month. The chances of us earning enough in IPD for it to cover our costs of refreshing in commission, plus the additional effort, might be middling at best. 

Bring in 6-9 games a month though and it’s a different story whether that is for the sub £1.50 IPD only market or for the £1-3 players. Above £3 you might be struggling but maybe if the spread is really tight.

It’s a unique collection of circumstances that is making IPD incredibly attractive right now because of the sheer number of games that fall inside your 30 day window, plus the doubling of IPD dividends from this season. 

Make the most of it is my advice.

My tip for this is do not slave yourself to getting the “perfect 30 day window”. If I look at Manchester City’s fixtures right now I could simplisticly say “ok from tomorrow I have 9 games before the shares expire so I’ll buy today and get that full 30 day window.” 

I’d generally consider this a mistake. Maybe in this market where few are buying you can get away with it.

But generally, I’d buy at least a week before this obviously perfect 30 day window, buying during the international break. I’ll miss those final few games but anyone who wants to line up that predictable 30 day window will have to buy after me.

And if I want the full window and more I can look for an opportunity to refresh or just cash in on any price rise – those matches vs Olympiacos, Porto or Marseille would look a juicy target date. 

14:44

Market Watch.

Mm. So. If we started the day a little more optimistic after that on paper portfolio value bump – the day is by now turning out much more as expected. 

Which is grim.

There are huge blue button price drops for lots of popular players of both the real quality and wild speculation variety. 

It’s savage. 

What is unexpected is the reaction – which at least on my twitter feed is mixed. The pain and the anger is there for sure. But there is a surprising amount of positivity given those drops. 

I attribute this to the Average All Offers change which is shielding people from the horrors.

It is having the intended impact though – those spreads are tightening and coming closer to the Red Button. The Red Button prices reflect current sentiment a lot more where as the Blue was a “zombie” left over from how people felt often months ago.

Those Blue Button drops happened weeks or months ago. We just couldn’t see it yet.

Awful to watch. But it’s an essential step if the market is to function normally again. 

If we reach a place where spreads are tighter and the vast majority of the top 200 have sell prices close to the Blue button – that’s a situation good traders are going to be able to work with.

Will it keep getting worse throughout the day though? Probably. There are big forces pushing blue button prices down and not many reasons to pay more than you need to.

A total, 100% buyers market where if you have cash you hold all the cards. Really no need to rush for buys unless you see someone making desperately low offers on high quality strong trend fit players.

14:25

So continuing the answer to the question below.

Let’s return to why we have staking strategies and remember why we do it. 

I tend to run fairly aggressive portfolios, maybe 30-60 players depending on market conditions. I’ve been as low as 10 at times but that is… brave. And I would not recommend it unless someone is really keen for quick results. 

At the moment I am more towards 60 as it is uncertain times so it makes sense to me to cast the net a bit wider. But no wider than that really.

We can be aggressive if we use good research to make sure our selections are solid. But we’re definitely not going to get all of our selections right. Sometimes we’ll make an error of judgement. Sometimes we’ll get bad luck like an injury. But some of our trades are going to go wrong it’s just a fact.

When that happens we don’t want it to be a total wipeout. I’ll never run for long with much more than 7.5% of my total portfolio value in just one player because any one of them can take a hit unexpectedly at any time.

So I control that with my buying system – matching my level of confidence to the level of buy. In a 40 player portfolio I might pick 5 that are my “bankers”. The slam dunk picks that I am 95%+ confident I am going to make a good profit. I’ll go for 5% in that. 

For maybe 25 I’ll make a standard buy – 2.5%. My normal level of confidence which is still high, say 80%+ that I’m making a good profit on that trade.

I might have other good players that are more speculative. Untested youth for example. I’d start with just 1.25% here most likely. My confidence is going to be lower so my stake is lower. Maybe I’m only 70/75% confident here.

Never lower than that. I never touch anything that looks like a 50/50 gamble. You don’t win consistently that way. Use great research to lazer target on the best possible selections.

This ensures I am not spread too thinly – when my player gets rewarded I’ll do well from it. If I have hundreds of players I might win but it won’t be meaningful. 

But I’ve got enough diversification where even if one of my big buys breaks a leg it will be annoying but not really game changing overall.

So that’s why I do it. How do we apply it to a new valuation system?

Well to be really simple we could just stick to Buy Price and then continue as normal.

If we wanted to switch to Average All Offers we can stick to 5% and 2.5% and 1.25% as a principle. But we’ll find our portfolio is now a mess with wild percentages way out of whack with where we want them to be.

Advice here is this: do not trade just to make the numbers line up nicely. Trade when it’s sensible to trade.

We’re trying to acheive our overall aim – do we have too much riding on one player? Trim it if so. Do we have insufficient money in another player where if they win it doesn’t really count for much? Buy more or sell up entirely.

It will take time to adjust the portfolio to the new values. But I would not worry about that too much, just be generally satisfied with the levels of holding you have and get comfortable with it.

Prices are going to fluctuate rapidly for the foreseeable anyway so if you spend too much time lining them all up now, you’ll probably just have to do it again later.

Just remember the principles as to why you are using a staking strategy and follow that, rather than being a slave to lining up the percentages.

13:40

Question: Morning FIT,

With all these new ways of valuing your portfolio what do you think is the best option to use? and if it is the current default does that mean I should be adjusting my staking accordingly? Under this new calculation I’m quite a bit over my staking strategy on some players.
 
FIT: So nobody cares what I had for lunch. Fine. I’ll take this question then. For the record it was a classic: cheese and tuna on a jacket potato.


So two elements – which is the best portfolio valuation method. 

And then how do you adjust staking strategy as a result which is the ammount of money you have in each player which for me typically is around 5% where I am really confident, 2.5% for a normal buy, and 1.25% when I’m speculating on a youth pick or otherwise riskier trade.

That is actually very difficult to keep to when our definition of value is changing!

Let’s see. (In these longer answers I’m just going to update to publish it and then add more as I go).

We’ve got Average All Offers as default now. It’s good for a wider view of what traders think a player is worth, rather than it highlighting the person who is most pessimistic or down on a player.

In the short term – it’s useful for FI and possibly traders as it is a confidence boost even if it’s a bit of an illusion.

It’s downside is that it doesn’t actually tell us what we can buy or sell for right now. And it’s very open to gaming by people who list shares at unrealistic prices just to keep the average price high.

It’s probably an over optimistic measure.

Buy Price is the opposite and is what we are used to. It does highlight the extremes by listing the lowest price available but it is closer to what we can really buy and sell for right now. It’s probably an over pessimistic measure.

90 Day Average is new too – I don’t think is really useful at all as a measure of portfolio value. It’s kind of interesting information that I think belongs as part of trading tools like market depth. But I don’t see it as a particularly relevant way of judging value as a player’s fortunes can feel very different 90 days ago than they did today. 

Just because a player was traded for a price 90 days ago doesn’t mean that has much relevance to what it may be traded for in the next 90. I can’t think of a reason why I’d use this.

And then we have Mid Price which straddles the Blue and Red button to give a price in the middle. I’m not sure about this one. I think it’s over pessimistic and whilst none of these measures truly reflects real value – this one is based on numbers that you don’t see anywhere on the platform.

The Mid Price just doesn’t exist. At least the Buy Price does so you are seeing what people would pay for your portfolio on the Blue Button today.

The Mid Price may look a lot better when spreads are closed and if we get to that point Mid Price may be a little like Buy Price just slightly more pessimistic.

For some people that might work – they might want to know they can liquidate all their shares for the price and this would be closest to the real value if selling up today.

So in an ideal scenario Mid Price may end up being the best. But now with such wide spreads it’s pretty awful. Red button prices don’t reflect anything close to real value and neither will Mid Price. Not to mention it’s depressing.

There isn’t really a right answer it’s preference.

Average All Offers would be fairer IF it wasn’t going to be so heavily gamed by manipulators. Which it definitely will be.

So I’d say either use “AAO” if you think you can do that mental adjustment to account for those shenanigans. Or stick with Buy price which is the devil we know. At least that is consistent and it won’t mess with any staking strategies etc.

I’ll do a new post on Staking Strategies, bear with.

13:05

I’m going to take a 30 minute break at this point to grab some lunch. Hopefully there will be questions when I return speculating on what I had.

12:54

Despite that heavy demand to sell pressuring prices down – it’s not all gloom.

You can see lots of activity.

Lots of activity here and a huge amount of trades going on, even if we mostly don’t see the results on the market since this is largely going on with bids rather than Instant Buys.

So, if you are worried about FI’s finances, it’s not like no trading has been happening in previous weeks it has been quietly ticking over it’s just hard to see. And there is plenty today. 

Perhaps surprisingly so and I wonder if FI have quietly been pumping in via LP001 their “liquidity provider” which I am convinced is an FI staffer on gardening leave with a big pile of cash.

From today there is now a 2% commission on bids so everytime shares change hands now FI are taking their slice.

I don’t mind this at all because what we need more than anything is a financial model that works for FI. We need a stable platform and we need them to have money left over to shower us with dividends. They could increase commission to 4% if they wanted and I would not care.

Activity is a sign of health. But we do have to bear in mind that a lot of this will be people clearing the decks – selling players they want rid of to either reinvest or withdraw their cash.

It is however a closed loop system – if they are selling, someone is buying. New money has to come in before any can really exit. I think I said last time it’s like a nightclub that you can’t leave unless someone else pays to get in.

The obvious question is “but how on earth does that work because prices are moving up and down!”. This requires a longer and complicated answer than I have time for here but basically – how much money is really in the market and how much is technically being traded is a very different thing. 

If everyone tried to cash Sancho and then withdraw that real cash at the same time there wouldn’t be enough money in Sancho to pay them all out even if there were enough red button bids to match them. (There might be in total funds in FI it’s just an example). 

And even if they did someone would have to buy and inject more cash balancing the books.

This isn’t particularly troubling or unusual – it’s the same if everyone tried to withdraw money from a bank. Even the most reliable big name banks don’t have enough cash to pay out all their customers at once.

Main point is – when it comes to the total of real money in the market from real people this can never reduce and only ever increase. In this way, the platform is more stable than ever. This did not used to be true under the old system of FI backed Instant Sell. I can cover this topic more another time if people are interested. But it’s a bit nerdy.

Once spreads tighten, and they are doing now, that’s when we can start to see some real price rises on the blue button. That addition of commission on bids means that buying on the blue button will become desirable provided the spread is tight.

12:38

To the spreads.

If we go to the list of the highest priced players in the top 200 we can see Sancho is still on top at a much reduced £7.07. 

But he still has an average offer price of £9.93 – stubborn holders and pumpers are going to be determined to keep these high average prices alive. It’s a big factor in keeping feelings positive if holders are not actually seeing big drops for their player hit their portfolio total. Again – out of sight, out of mind. it works.

And the strangest thing psychologically is that even if people know it’s happening it probably still works. The human brain is strange and it’s not just idiots who will be affected by this it will influence us all to varying degrees.

As we go down the list the most obvious thing is that we no longer have a wall of players with no sell price. This is hugely important for a healthy market. It’s the best thing about today so far. Both for practical trading reasons and for confidence – traders MUST know they can sell to feel confident.

This was the whole reason FI added the Instant Sell feature in the first place way back when FI was just a baby. Until they added that traders were not confident. As soon as they did FI was transformed – if you know you can come out easily you are happy to stay in and even invest more if you can.

Moving over to a model where traders stood behind this rather than FI was always the plan – and always going to be rough. Just nobody expected it would be quite this rough. Today feels a bit like a relaunch of the Order Book in many ways.

However many players do still lack a sell price and this gets worse the further down the price list you go. 

I’m not totally surprised by this – people will be doing the “clustering” thing I mentioned in previous State of the Markets. In rough times people naturally group up in the most popular and “safe” players. 

As the value in that dries up people will move further afield into other players as confidence grows.

And we will still have LOTS of pent up desire to sell that can get eaten up. So whenever someone bids they will buy out the people who want out. And we may end up back where we started.

That’s fine – we need all of the people who want out to get their wish. They may well be selling too low and burning themselves but they may also have legitimate reasons why that makes sense for them if they are struggling financially in this grim year etc. 

So we are not going to see an immediate bounce back in a day. There is too much negative pressure coming from those who need/want to leave because that has been building for so long.

 

12:18

Today is just one day.

The winners and losers we are discussing below? That could all look very different just weeks and months from now. It’s over this longer period where success or failure can be judged. It’s not settled today.

So we don’t want to sweat too much on individuals. It’s just interesting to see what type of player is doing well or not.

What we really need today is to get through without any drops so severe it completely floors trader confidence. 

We need spreads to close to levels where we can trade effectively and incentives for shenanigans are greatly reduced.

If that can happen we can be quietly confident of where it goes from here. The central spine of my longer term belief in the platform is that the value proposition is so strong. 

If there is a little stability and the bleeding stops I have no doubt that traders will come and pick up that value. You can trust people to be greedy.

And so far? This is going better than I expected.

What’s really interesting is that social media is relatively calm despite some huge drops for lots of popular players.

Funny to say but I think this is about the way portfolio values are now calculated. 

Nobody is seeing huge on paper drops in portfolio value – they are seeing rises. Unless they have gone out of their way to change the settings back to the old valuations.

Would people be this calm if they had woken up to a 20% drop? I think not.

Out of sight? Out of mind. Are traders this easily placated?

Probably.

It’s pathetic how easily manipulated people are really. But given that there is real value there and all that is lacking is confidence… maybe this sleight of hand is good for both FI and traders.

12:10

So which players are doing well today?

This is much harder to see because whilst we can look at rising Blue Button prices this isn’t the full picture.

What we’re really looking for is closing spreads – which players are getting bidded on?

There is no way to see this clearly on the platform. We have to look manually.

If we look at face value Blue Button price rises – it’s a pretty predictable picture.

Popular players with inoffensive trend fits and recent strong performances are doing well. Ferran Torres. Grealish. Oyarzabal. Chilwell. 

As are some older but strongly performing players: Kane. Messi. De Bruyne. Lewandowski. 

All players that give us very few headaches. Traders want reliability and certainty right now – and there is no need to wildly speculate when you can get extreme value in dividend winners. Great for traders with portfolios full of high quality players.

But let’s look at spreads in the next post and drag this back to what actually matters today – liquidity for the long term. 

11:56

Let’s look at the droppers list another way, by percentage decreased.

This is a more meaningful way of looking at things.

Drops by £ are a bit skewed – this is the default way FI sorts the list and it should not be. It works for the premiums in the good times as they often show a very large rise in pence and get to the top of the default list. This fuels the hype.

The same goes for them on the way down though. A drop for a big premium is very conspicuous so their fall from grace is heavily publicised. 

Not quite as bad as that in reality though. 

If we look at the percentage dropper list it’s a slightly different picture. Sancho and Alexander-Arnold are well out of the top 10 droppers now for example. 

Instead you have Bale, Griezmann, Saint Maximin. Still Davies and Dybala. Riqui Puig. Golovin. de beek. Pellegrini.

Some similar names but it does offer a different perspective on who is taking the hits. 

The theme is familiar though – unfashionable and out of form players are suffering  exactly as expected. And whether they are really any good over a season or a three year bet doesn’t have a great deal to do it with it. 

For all that long term talk, traders are much more focused on how they have done in the last few games and what fixtures they might have next. 

This is why I have wanted to lean heavily into popular players that don’t give us a headache recently. Fortunately, with prices this low we do not have to compromise on quality when buying players with a nice trend fit. 

11:40 

Below I’ve described the characteristics the droppers have in common. Some of the drops are foreseeable and must be avoided. Usually a result of swallowing a diet of social media / chat group garbage.

Others are down to difficult judgement calls, fine margins, and a little luck and we can be a bit more forgiving of ourselves here provided we are dealing with it as well as we can.

We often judge ourselves by how much money we make. There is definitely another way we can judge how well we have dealt with this period though.

Everyone will be taking hits but could it have been worse? I definitely feel that by avoiding some of these obvious droppers who have collapsed like Alexander-Arnold or Sancho or Davies I’ve been able to avoid the worst of the damage. 

And that is a real win – who you don’t buy is possibly more important to results than who you do buy.

I have taken my hits in 2020 for sure though. Eriksen. Keita. Griezmann. Icardi. More recently Dybala. At least in these cases I had a good reason why they could have succeeded. And indeed, still have reasons they can rebound.

The hardest thing this year is that even if you could see a player like this not living up to expectations – you often couldn’t do much about it! Like seeing a train coming towards you but being tied to the tracks. 

Hopefully that improves as liquidity does and so will our ability to dodge losses before they hit us hard.

Something to think about – I think how well we hang onto what we have in the rough spells is a better indicator of how good we are than how much we make when the market is flying.

11:36

Let’s look again at this list of droppers.

It’s not an unexpected cast list. If we sort by £ drops we will naturally see more popular big hitters at the top.

Sancho. Alphonso Davies. Bale. Alexander-Arnold. Haaland. Greenwood. Pogba. Cherki. Hakimi. Fati. Bellingham.

These are players I’d call deserved drops – players I’ve flagged for months or at least weeks as vulnerable. Their very popularity works against them. And they aren’t as good as people hoped they were in the good times. It’s a recipe for disaster. 

I’d be disappointed to take hits on players like this. Maybe Fati would be the exception he’s not an awful choice. But these are the foreseeable drops the ones good traders just make sure they cannot take because they do not put themselves in weak positions.

However these are not the only players taking significant hits in £ terms and there are plenty of players I think have quality here too.

Dybala. Havertz. Werner. Griezmann. Sterling. Foden. de Beek. Kimmich. Depay. Alberto. Barrenetxea. Neymar.

What are the common factors in drops for these?

Pitch time struggles: You can be as good as you want, but if you aren’t on the pitch you ain’t going to show it. Dybala. de Beek. Barrenetxea. 

Injuries. Another reason our boys aren’t on the field. Kimmich. Neymar.

Poor form: Depay. Sterling.

High expectations and no immediate results: Werner, Havertz, Foden.

Alberto is an odd one he is looking good and cheap. I suspect it’s a mix of him being older and not having won recently. So he probably falls under “no immediate results”.

These to my mind are more forgivable reasons for us to be taking a loss. Managing trades that are going wrong is where most of the skill and good judgement comes in.

On pitch time struggles it can be hard to mind read. Dybala for example – he starts and plays exceptionally well. We know how brilliant he can be. And then suddenly he has a bad game and is dropped for successive matches. The transfer rumours start again. De Beek – very surprisingly lightly used so far. 

We can guess about these things and read the tealeaves of manager comments etc – but we do have to make a decision and we won’t always get this right.

They also have a reason why they can bounce back – if they start they can turn things around. Not so bad.

Injuries. Unlucky. Unless we have a really injury prone player we just have to accept this can happen to anyone. It’s managed through portfolio management – not being too exposed to one individual player.

Poor form – we can do our utmost to spot this early through Scouting and can more often than not. But not always – particularly where the numbers are looking good but they are just not quite producing. 

This is where we can be baited into sticking in a bit too long where as a more casual observer wouldn’t be aware they are close to wins and might just sell immediately. 

The numbers don’t lie but probability doesn’t either and just because we have a high chance of winning doesn’t mean we will. Sometimes those big scores will never materialise even though they look likely. But more often than not – they will. 

High expectations. Like for Werner and Havertz. Neither player is doing particularly badly but we have to be wary of high price tags for players at new clubs. Patience is minimal right now and big price tags bring pressure to deliver.

 

11:10

Back to market watch.

We can definitely see the pain coming through now:

 

The downward forces on blue button prices are winning. And it was never really a fair fight. 

Buyers are operating on bids and will rarely be touching blue button until the spreads are very tight.

So Blue Button prices are deflating as expected, closing up those spreads. Which is miserable for holders but absolutely essential for the health of the market going forward.

The big difference is that the average offer prices are staying stubbornly high.

So will people panic as much? Probably not.

Will we be in a situation though where average offer prices are going to be inflated by stubborn holders and pumpers? Yes. 

If for example I am a whale with my Dybala shares still listed at £4+ I can see him tanking right now. WIll I be unlisting those shares? Probably not – I don’t want to drop that average price and cause any further panic. I want that to stay nice and high.

In this case… I may not be wrong. I don’t think £4 is an unreasonable price for Dybala if he is actually playing. Technically, undervalued if meeting his potential.

However with True Value we have to consider the Market Value – what people are actually willing to pay.

A big part of this is comparative value. Nobody sensible is going to be buying a struggling but high potential player like Dybala even at his £2.48 price at the moment, even though his true value is likely closer to £4.

Why would you when you can get a popular player who is as good or almost as good for a similar price or less right now? We have to make life easy for ourselves.

There will come a time when such players regain form and the improvement plus rock bottom price combine to make them great pick ups. 

But timing is crucial – and at the moment focusing on the low hanging fruit that have quality and are easy to sell is the play.

10:55

Look at this Bruno madness:

FI fade the background on the image but if you squint you can see that at this moment Bruno’s official blue button instant buy price was £6.89. 

If I look at Depth and actually go to buy 100 shares the actual buy now price is just £6.65. In pence terms that feels significantly cheaper – 24p lower than advertised on the blue button.

Actually that’s just 3.6% cheaper which isn’t huge – penny movements look significant on premiums when they are actually not.

It was much more significant on Sabitzer below.

Lesson here is that we should take the red and blue button with a pinch of salt when looking at buying/selling. We should get into the habit of checking depth to see what we can really sell for.

Now for small portfolio holders this is an advantage as you can be nimble. You’ll be able to get better prices. 

Big fish will be trading 300 shares minimum and often more so they are going to eat up any cheaper shares very quickly. 

Obviously it is still better to have lots of cash! You get many other advantages including being able to drag prices around yourself.

But for smaller portfolio holders this is going to get you a significant little edge as you exploit these cheaper shares on the fringes.

10:42

Here is another example of how we can use Market Depth:

It is nice to have these details. As you can see at this moment in time the red button and blue button are wrapping up a reasonably wide average of the offers and bids.

If I am casually scrolling through my portfolio and I see buying 100 more Sabitzer is £1.79 and selling him is £1.43 that’s quite a wide spread. 

If I look at Depth though I can see that the true buy price is £1.75 and I can actually sell for £1.47. 

That looks like small change but that is actually a significant difference in what I’m paying or getting back. On red to blue button that’s a 25% spread. In reality, now I have market depth, I can see that is not accurate. The spread is actually just 19%

Those few pennies either way are making a big difference, enough to tip me over the edge into selling or buying when it is a borderline decision.

This is really useful. Not just for trading but for sentiment – if people can learn to look at things this way then they will see that spreads are actually tighter than they appear. And it’s not a shenanigan this is real money.

10:25

So first impressions of market depth. 

 

This is Sancho. I’ll try not to obsess over him but he is a good one to watch in that battle between the optimists and those keen to get out. And if anyone will be a target of shenanigans it’s him.

So this is quite limited – we’re only seeing the top 5 entries. We know nothing about the true depth here except for that Average Offer price is £10.24 so there must be a ton of far higher offers in there.

We will need NASDAQ to get better than this. But this is something. 

It tells us that there is very little, mere hundreds of £ between Sancho being £6.83 or £7 at this particular moment. And everytime you refresh it’s different right now.

Reassuring to an extent because when you see a price drop you can see a little bit of what’s behind it. It better illustrates the fact that this price drop could be just a few individuals – and the Average Offer price can reassure us that not everyone is thinking that way. 

However the limit of just 5 entries is unusual for Market Depth – very limited. We need the full picture to really know what’s what. I can’t dig into this at all but if I could I pretty much know for sure I could find some whales listing chunks of 300 shares closer to £11-£12 just to push this average price up. Inevitable.

Average prices are, in theory, more accurate a represenation of what all traders think a player is worth. But adjust for the fact that people are going to game it – the average valuation will be significantly higher than reality particularly for “cult” players that have big followings.

I mean. Shrug. This kind of thing happens on all markets and it will never fully be stamped out. All we can do is be aware of it.

10:10

Question: Might be a bit too obvious a question but I have money to spend – should I put it in now or wait?

FIT: It may be a simple question but it’s certainly a relevant one.

We have at least avoided an immediate bonfire so I can see how this might tempt some off the fence.

It’s going better than hoped and we are seeing some healthy behaviour of spreads closing, some blue button drops, but some rises too. 

It is early in the day though and that Average Offer Price lag of 1 hour might change the picture and the mood.

I’m feeling cautiously optimistic. All FI needs to do today is get through without major misery and it can grow nicely from there. Yet, I think it is too early to declare victory and say it’s all systems go. Too early by far.

We have to remember that whilst there will be demand from traders keen to take advantage – there will be lots of people who are waiting for a chance to get out too. The best we can really hope for is that these forces cancel each other out.

If we get better than that I’m going to be calling background FI intervention.

On buying, I always give the usual caveat of make sure it is only money you can afford to bet with etc etc. 

I’ve been comfortable buying all through these recent troubles provided that we are getting a rock bottom bid that is way under what we believe the True Value of the player to be.

So that is no different now. If you can really get a killer bid matched on a player you are really confident in – I’d just go for it. 

However – I see no particular reason to rush. The prices are so low and the value is so abundant that someone holding cash is in a position of great power. And likely will be for at least weeks to come. 

If one target runs away from you – there will be plenty of others.

Personally I have done absolutely nothing today yet but that’s partially because writing a blog and trading is kind of impossible to do! 

So yes I would buy where I see extreme value and I’m 90%+ sure I’m getting a good deal. If I am less confident than 90%+ I’d wait.

09:56

This is going incredibly well so far. 

Spreads are closing fast. There is a balanced reaction with some prices going up and down pretty much along the lines of current positive sentiment as expected.

Traders are still basically terrible at judging real value so we can expect some great players to fall and some poor but popular players to rise. Standard FI things.

Some interesting observations. Sancho is always a good one to watch as he is popular and under the spotlight.

So we got a massive unlisting pushing him up to £8.54 from £7.66 before the market opened. This is obviously holders trying to create optimism for him ahead of the change. Probably a trading group agreement for mutual benefit. If he’s on the up more people are likely to pile in. Giving them a  chance to sell higher.

An hour after opening later he is back down to £7.66 – so this is probably exactly what happened here. But there is a plot twist – the average offer price. 

This is being pumped UP. So despite Sancho dropping on the blue button your portfolio valuation of Sancho is RISING. 

This is Sancho holders figuring out they can just list Sancho for higher and drag that Average Offer Price right back up. An easy shenanigan.

Bear in mind – the Average Offer Price only updates every hour. So we may find that in 30 minutes or 60 minutes from now we only just then see what has really happened.

It is also odd that the Average Offer Price is so far above the Blue Button price – £10.43 for Sancho vs his Blue Button £7.36. At the moment you can only offer £7.86. So these £10+ offers must be old. 

Where this is the case, listing more now would only drag the average price back down. So this is possibly a way that shenanigan will be limited. 

09:40

This is going to be a day of competing pressures. And we’re still waiting to see who will win. 

In the blue corner pushing prices up we have:

– Traders who are chomping at the bit to get stuck in but are trying to time the bottom. I know there are plenty of these anecdotally just from the deluge of emails I get about “when should I buy”. 

Question is: Is this portfolio value on paper increase + the initial calm (and even positive?) market reaction enough to make them push the button?

– If FI are smart they downplayed their own liquidity provision in their announcement last week but are secretly pumping in now through the mysterious trader “LP001”. (This could explain how £6million got matched in 24 hours). If people believe it is traders doing this they will trust it more and confidence will grow.

And in the red corner pushing prices down we have:

– Traders who have lost confidence who want to get out. Plenty of these too it has been a miserable 2020 and I can understand the view particularly if traders are new to markets or FI. It has not been a good introduction to the platform.

– Possibly some baddies who want to crash prices so they can buy back cheaper. Though I suspect that has happened already – they won’t want to push things too far to the point where FI is really in trouble.

Who will dominate? We’ll find out over the course of the day.

09:35

So we have a 50p upper limit on what we can offer a player for sale for. So if Lewandowski is £2.93 the most I can offer is £3.43. To an extent this controls shenanigans with artifically pumping the average price. But nowhere near enough to stop it happening. 

This is going to be a clear way to boost the apparent popularity/demand for a player that is probably already being used as we speak. 

C’mon FI. This should have been seen coming. Unless they did and they think that right now artificially boosting prices is no bad thing. 

This is a pumpers dream.

If I were to use my powers for evil I could go on Twitter and say buy “Player X he’s amazing look at his crossing stat and here is a youtube video showing him dribbling then crossing wot a player m8.”

Then I’d just go and buy a ton, then list them high. Artificial demand is created. He looks popular. People follow in.

That can’t be healthy and FI need to sort this out by reducing that 50p limit further.

09:26

So far on the market this seems like a very balanced and measured response from traders. 

Certainly not the armageddon we may have feared. But the day is young.

We are seeing some drops, typically for out of favour players with Dybala mentioned below indeed topping that list. 

But the list of risers is stronger. And it is the kind of “obvious” big ticket premium player benefiting first as expected. People do tend to do this – they hit the most attractive/popular players and then as the weeks go by go further and further down the food chain. 

So if we’re buying Bruno and Neymar and Sancho this week you might see them turning to Kimmich and and KDB then Gnabry and Lewandowski a day or two later. And once these popular picks are looking a little pricey – that’s when we might get into the more hipster selections like Atalanta players. 

But that may take a while – there is really strong value available in the popular/core space and covering this is a priority for me.

You may already have plenty of that type – it’s been core strategy on this site for months already. So if that is the case branching out into some of those picks people will likely want a few weeks from now could be the play.

09:20

Question: 2 questions for your live blog if I may.

1. How low do you think out of favor players will go such as kroos / dybala / depay. Minimal bids on them for a while so people will drop the price im sure which could spiral if people keep trying to undercut (unless FI circuit break)

2. And this one’s more important. What topping did you put on your toast

FIT: Two great questions of wide interest to all members there.

On out of favour players I would expect them to do quite badly and the spreads should close up. 

As I said in the last Live Blog – when considering what to buy we want to be making life easy for ourselves. It’s a time to be going for strong players with that key strategy core player template (Big club, Europa/CL, Euro 2020, great trend profile for age etc). 

These players are currently at value so there is no need to be too clever. I’d expect these to be natural beneficiaries of a bounce back. And you can even stretch into the popular but not that great players. Maybe even an Mbappe type character.

When it comes to out of favour players like Kroos/Depay I would look at them later and wouldn’t prioritise these buys. The low hanging fruit will be taken first. 

If holding them already – they are good players who likely come good so I wouldn’t sell for a price you are not happy with. Where a player is a real dud and has totally lost their way with little hope of recovery? That’s when we want to be decisive and make the cut.

And more importantly on your second question. I had two slices of wholewheat brown toast with 3 eggs scrambled and some heinz “five beans” which I find are a superior alternative to regular beans. This hits my protein requirements as one of my lockdown projects is be able to lift more heavy things.

09:09

Can’t see a great deal happening yet as the app/site aren’t coping with the demand. The below video from FI did make me laugh whilst I’m waiting though.

It’s actually not bad until it says that “A market with less depth means there is greater potential for prices to escalate rapidly”. 

Haha. Come on. I mean they ain’t wrong but it’s also hard to sell that player and whilst they can escalate they can easily go the other way too. Garbage.

 

09:02

And the market is now open. Let’s see if we get the inevitable crash as everyone tries to use it at once. I’m just going to watch for 5-10 minutes and see what happens. 

We may start more optimistic due to the portfolio value increase (on paper) but as spreads close up the mood may sour a bit. That is what *should* happen in theory.

If it doesn’t I’ll be looking for evidence of FI intervention via liquidity providers in the background or maybe even whales pumping in either legitimately or with shenanigans.

08:55

The first big change we’ll see on logging in today is a massive increase in our portfolio values.

Not what we were expecting?

Well – we should have been really. As discussed in the Live Blog last week this change to making the “Average Offer Price” the default rather than the lowest possible sell price was always going to have a significant impact.

In many cases this could be adding 10-25% or maybe even more depending on player selection to our portfolios seemingly overnight. 

Why this is good:

– It genuinely is a better way of indicating what traders collectively think a player is worth (at least in theory, I’ll get onto why it might not be below). 

– People are quite shallow and this measure alone may cheer many up. We have a market where the confidence of our main liquidity providers (traders) is totally shattered. If this boosts confidence I’d consider it a good thing – there are good reasons to be confident in terms of the value proposition. This may help traders dig themselves out of this problem.

Why this is bad: 

– Well. Nothing has really changed. You can go into your options and select the old way of valuing it and you’ll find it hasn’t moved a great deal. It was always our own valuation of the player that mattered most and that is still the case.

Honestly, the numbers that are moving on the screen right now are just that. We have not reached a point yet where this is a competent market that is good at judging value through “price discovery”. We will. But we ain’t even close. This is why I consider our own assessment of what I call “True Value” on the dashboard to be the most important thing.

So, this may make some over confident or falsely believe their portfolio has changed when really it hasn’t. 

– Shenanigans. As I mentioned on the Live Blog last time this system is so open to gaming the system it hurts. Unless when we get to play with it there is some kind of limit. But I can’t think of a reason why if I was a whale I couldn’t just buy 10,000 Sancho then immediately list them at the maximum offer price. They have no chance of selling, it costs me nothing, and I’d increase the price and drum up optimism for my player really easily. If it’s possible – it will happen.

08:48

So lets talk expectations for the day.

Going into today I thought it was going to be pretty bad – nobody likes to see numbers going in the wrong direction. 

We are going to be seeing Blue Button Price drops that close up the spreads in all likelihood.

That could cause yet more unhappiness, anger and pain. 

But it will genuinely fix the problems we have in this market where sensible trading is in most cases just not possible. 

What we are seeing at the moment is shenanigans. Traders are self interested and we should never expect them to be anything but. If these wide spreads exist then it creates opportunities for “buy and sell back cheaper” or constant share refreshing. 

Whether that is really beneficial in all cases or not doesn’t matter – the narrative that this is the thing to do has taken hold. And as long as the spreads stay wide that is always going to be the case.

So, my view is that whatever pain we see today will at least result in a cleanse that will enable sensible trading. 

And when that is done there is no reason why FI cannot grow again because the value is just so clearly there when you have low prices and these huge dividends on offer.

I find myself slightly more optimistic than that this morning as I see the early changes on the platform. I’ll get to some reasons why it might not be quite that bad in the next post. But I still think we have price drops to come later.

08:24

Good morning folks and welcome to another Live Blog as we chew over the big changes happening today on the platform. 

I’ll be here until I run out of things to say on:

– Market/trader behaviour as they react to the changes

– New features and thinking about how we can use them

– Member questions – get them in either on the changes or on any aspect of trading (admin@footballindextrader.co.uk or Twitter DM).

– Anything else that seems worthy of discussion!

I’m just grabbing a coffee/toast and will get underway just before 9am!

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